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[Dagaz]

http://mwomercs.com/...73#entry1839773

Awesome news from PGI about this. Many of us have been wanting this for some time now. I was crushed however to see the prices. I mean the sample color scheme they show would cost $14.95!

Does PGI not understand the concept of Micro-Transactions?

Hero Mechs that cost $14.95 and up.
Trinkets that cost upwards of $4.00.
Now color schemes that will cost as much as a Hero Mech? o.0

Please guys... I'm a founder, I work for a living but I didn't get into a F2P so I could spend nearly $15.00 per week just getting skins. I mean I have enough mechs that I would spend more than that but not all at once and not just for one Mech.

Please guys reconsider this pricing strat!

Edit: b4 I get flamed yes I know they need to earn money... I really get that but most F2Ps work on the concept of the many making small purchases as opposed to the few making large purchases. Basically it's easy to get more people to spend $15.00 / month on a F2P if they don't realize it; ie $1-$3 here... $2-$5 there. But when I can see that just one item will cost me $14.95 the sticker shock alone will keep me from buying any items much less several small ones. =/

Edited by Dagaz, 04 February 2013 - 08:17 PM.

[Taurick]

I'll wait and see how many colours they introduce at the 'Basic' level before I make a judgement.



post patch edit: YAY for PGI being money grubbing little leprechauns

Edited by Taurich, 05 February 2013 - 08:27 PM.

[DaZur]

Q: Is MW:O a micro-transaction fee model or a macro-transaction fee model?

I think we've been erroneously trying to shoehorn MW:O into this preconceived cookie-cutter thing that most associate with "micro-transaction" fee schedules...

[RiceyFighter]

You got basic colors. You might only need to buy one premium color for 5 bucks unlock or 3 of them for 15 bucks. Patterns are only 7 bucks. I think that is a fair deal.

Also you have PcGamer colors which are free.

Edited by RiceyFighter, 04 February 2013 - 08:27 PM.

[Dagaz]

Taurich, on 04 February 2013 - 08:11 PM, said:

I'll wait and see how many colours they introduce at the 'Basic' level before I make a judgement.

You bring up a good point. I suppose if only a few colors are at the premium level then this might make sense... but at the current example most of the colors that people would want to actually use are Premium. If this stays true then I will not be running many colors for my several mechs. I would've thought that colors would cost around 200-500MC and paint schemes between 500-1000.

[shintakie]

I was excited about the unlockable paints too until I saw the cost.

Not to say I'm not still excited. We've been askin for permanent paint since it got released and its not exactly overly expensive as long as you skip out on the pattern.

Its also not hugely expensive when you think about the fact that you only ever have to buy it once and you're done. Patterns still seem a tad expensive since they're limited by chassis, but eh...I can dig it.

At the moment its mostly just optimistic thinkin. Mostly I'm just worried about what colors constitute premium colors. I assume it'll end up bein anythin with actual color to it instead of just varyin shades of brown and green.

However I will not be happy if it costs me 4000 MC in order to buy pink paint <.<

Edited by shintakie, 04 February 2013 - 08:31 PM.

[Demoned]

as long as prime colours are classed as basic, I'll be very happy

[80Bit]

The single use cost for patterns is now very, very reasonable. We are talking 35 to 65 cents here.

I own 15 mechs. This new setup will let me spend about $30 of MC to pick a few colors I like, and paint all 15 of my mechs. That's $2.00 per mech. Very reasonable.

Edited by 80Bit, 04 February 2013 - 08:32 PM.

[Taurick]

Dagaz, on 04 February 2013 - 08:26 PM, said:

You bring up a good point. I suppose if only a few colors are at the premium level then this might make sense... but at the current example most of the colors that people would want to actually use are Premium. If this stays true then I will not be running many colors for my several mechs. I would've thought that colors would cost around 200-500MC and paint schemes between 500-1000.

Yeh, it would be terrible if only the current basics were available after the patch

I suspect what they've done is move a few of the current 'standard' paints into the basic bracket, moived some of the premium paints into the standard bracket, and introduced lots and lots of new paint colours to the premium bracket


I'd also like to know if our current basics will be reimbursed, the announcements only mentioned MC reimbursement

[scgt1]

80Bit, on 04 February 2013 - 08:31 PM, said:

The single use cost for patterns is now very, very reasonable. We are talking 35 to 65 cents here.

I own 15 mechs. This new setup will let me spend about $30 of MC to pick a few colors I like, and paint all 15 of my mechs. That's $2.00 per mech. Very reasonable.

$2.00 reasonable?

How many games out there that have customizable characters charge? Most games allow you to do up your char before even playing the game. I think having to spend any real money to change the look of our mechs is just crazy. I like the CB take on it although it seems way high still to unlock a lousy color. I would like to do more then rotate my mech while painting it. Since we are still stuck with this little windowed mode in mechlab I think they would at least work in the ability to zoom in since our mech is pretty damn small. Although those running a lower res probably don't have this problem because the window would be much larger meaning so will the mech.

[Dagaz]

RiceyFighter, on 04 February 2013 - 08:26 PM, said:

You got basic colors. You might only need to buy one premium color for 5 bucks unlock or 3 of them for 15 bucks. Patterns are only 7 bucks. I think that is a fair deal.

Also you have PcGamer colors which are free.

The problem with the 3 for $14.95 is that it gives horrible sticker shock! It makes me think Whoa! Wait a minute... do I really need these colors? The whole point of this is that they should be cheap enough that we go.. Hey! That looks awesome on my mech.. let me buy that, oh and this,, and that and buy the time we are done we've spent $14.95 w/o the sticker shock. 3 items for $14.95 is not going to promote that.

[Norris J Packard]

So don't buy them.

Most of the things you are talking about don't effect gameplay in any way. Paints, Cockpit Items, etc. are all aesthetic objects that have no baring whatsoever on the game.

Hero Mechs and so on are side-grade objects that aren't necessary for you to buy either.

I'm not defending PGI, but these are the facts.

[Johnny Reb]

Since I already have pc gamer black, I think the only paint for mc I might buy is white. Just hope I get refunded, in c-bills, for the basic paint I have purchased.

[Tennex]

they seem pretty devote on gouging their loyal fanbase.

which is the current player base. we have no problems we love mechwarrior.


new players won't be used to this. especially if they are coming from massive player base successful free to play games like of league of legends.

[SUBZERO8K]

Hopefully they'll have sales on paint colors occasionally, then I'll go on a spree.

[Eddrick]

It's permanent. What more do you want? Wait, what? You want it to cost less? How long do you plan on playing the game? I don't plan on quitting anytime short of atleast a year.

SUBZERO8K, on 04 February 2013 - 10:09 PM, said:

Hopefully they'll have sales on paint colors occasionally, then I'll go on a spree.

Sounds likly. Since they seem to have had specials for just about everything else.

[MoonUnitBeta]

What gets to me is this:
People ask to own Camo: We got it now, limited to per Mech type.

"What do you use variants for?"
The most common answer you'll hear: Getting XP to level your main mech. (people who don't have a "main" mech type will probably get there once quirks are implemented and they find the right mech for them).
The extra variants for that mech type are either sold, or kept and the player pays 300MC($) for their mech bay to purchase additional mechs.
I have a main Jenner(D-(F)). A main Atlas(DDC). A main Hunchback(4SP), a main Raven(2X).
Notice: I don't use much of the other variants? I have a 3L raven, I have a 4X, but I'm still in the process of leveling them. After that, poof. So really, my aspirations to actually own any kind of camo, to free myself from the nickle-and-diming microtransaction with one purchase are gone.


For a Premium Camo (not colors): 1250MC ($7.00)
$7.00 in and your mech still looks like the Olive Green you started with.

If you want the Premium Colours to go along with your mech? 1000MC each.
Phranken: 4250MC ($20.00)

So what do you have in the end?
1 Pattern, 3 Colours. THAT YOU OWN! GOOD JOB! Oh, hahaha but *slap* you silly kid! You can only use on other variants of the mech that you bought the Camo for. and your short $20.00. PGI: BUT YOU OWN THE CAMO! JUST LIKE YOU GUYS WANTED! HAHAHAHA!!!

What frustrates me is that there's no ownership in that. It makes more sense to just buy them singly.
I was hoping for some kind of incentive to own them. Currently, There's nothing to own. There's no reason to blow $20.00 for the sole purpose to "own" the camo so you can paint your variants.
I would have much more understood if they were for the entire Mech Class (Heavies, Assault, etc) Because people can specialize in those groups. You pay better with Heavies? Great. Blow $20.00 and you can make them all look like Skeletons.

Did Bobby Kotick get hired on at PGI?
I was going to blow $100 on just Camo alone. It's ironic how PGI increases MC costs, but doesn't add anything to justify their inflation.
I suppose I'll be stuck with my PC Gamer skin for a very long time. I'll put that $100 towards my savings for a nicer desk.

To all the collectors and loyal fans out there? D!ck slapped.

This is not something that I'm on PGI's side for. I'm not even going to spend the 65 cents or so that someone mention because I don't even know if I want to support their greedy motives anymore. Seems like it's getting worse and worse. I guess time will tell, but this optimistic attitude is wearing out now all of a sudden.

Edited by MoonUnitBeta, 04 February 2013 - 10:33 PM.

[Like a Sir]

Now correct me if I'm wrong, I understand that the patterns are unlocked per chassis, but don't you unlock the colors for all of your mechs? If that is the case, I can live with investing 500-1500 mc for all of my mechs once, now I would love to see the price go down to something like 200 400, because then I would buy a lot more of them, but even in the current state I might buy one or 2.

[MoonUnitBeta]

Like a Sir, on 04 February 2013 - 10:31 PM, said:

Now correct me if I'm wrong, I understand that the patterns are unlocked per chassis, but don't you unlock the colors for all of your mechs? If that is the case, I can live with investing 500-1500 mc for all of my mechs once, now I would love to see the price go down to something like 200 400, because then I would buy a lot more of them, but even in the current state I might buy one or 2.

Doesn't make sense to pay the MC to own the camo since it's only for one mech type and the variants. If you're like me who only uses variants to level your main mech but likes to collect novelty things, this totally sucks. I like to specialize in one thing, and trick it out. Not ganna happen here.

[shintakie]

Like a Sir, on 04 February 2013 - 10:31 PM, said:

Now correct me if I'm wrong, I understand that the patterns are unlocked per chassis, but don't you unlock the colors for all of your mechs? If that is the case, I can live with investing 500-1500 mc for all of my mechs once, now I would love to see the price go down to something like 200 400, because then I would buy a lot more of them, but even in the current state I might buy one or 2.

You are correct unless they worded it wrong on the page. Patterns are the only thing locked to mech chassis, paints are owned for every mech you'll ever get.

You buy hot pink once, and only once, and you can put it on every mech you get from now until the game dies. Now if you buy say...the Tiger pattern comin out you can only put it on the mech chassis you bought it for. So you buy it for a Jenner and it only works on the Jenners (minus any possible Hero or Founders you have). If you want that pattern for your Raven you'll have to buy it again.

Not too happy about the patterns still bein locked and still bein as expensive as they are, but I'm diggin the colors.

Edit - The reason I'm not too happy about the patterns unlocks is because PGI can't do math. A permanent unlock of a pattern costs 10 times the amount of a single use and its only for that specific mech type.

In order to justify the cost of a premium unlock pattern would be if you change your pattern 10 times, or 3 times per variant with an extra for one of them. Considerin its based only off of each mech type, thats kinda a ridiculous idea. It makes sense for colors why they cost as much as they do, its an unlock for every mech ever.

Edited by shintakie, 05 February 2013 - 08:30 AM.